Nathan Natas

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  Do you or yours have heart disease?

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we are growing older and have developed illnesses we never imagined would touch us.

  if you (or a family member or acquaintance) have been diagnosed with heart disease .

  1) what was your reaction to the diagnosis?

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  Nathan Natas

  Colonoscopies are the subject of jokes because it is scatological.

  The procedure itself is nothing to worry about because your mind will be in the clouds due to the anti-anxiety meds you'll be given. In fact, the hospital WILL NOT RELEASE YOU unless you have someone who will accompany you home, by car , bus, or even walking!

  Now, the AWFUL part of the colonoscopy is the week before, IF your doctor wants you to go on a liquid (water) diet and follow it with the vile "colon flush" that is often required.

  I did this both of the two times I had the procedure, but I've heard some folks who were not asked to do ANY prep at all.
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  I am looking for scans from a book

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does somone have a library handy that holds the book: "the bible from the beginning" (new york 1929) by p. marion simms?

  i have searched here in melbourne without success, and its exorbitant price tag means it won't be sitting on my bookshelf.

  if you can find a copy, i need scans of pages 74 to 76. it would be even better if i could obtain scans of the immediate context.

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  Nathan Natas

  "Reasoning From The Scriptures" -- $9.95 US

  http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=watchtower&tn=Reasoning+from+the+Scriptures&x=40&y=11
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  tell me not to cry...

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after more than a month of not attending the meetings, my girls will be returning to the meeting tomorrow.

  their father is taking them.

  i was so happy because my girls were free from the boredom, drudgery and mind control inflicted upon those that attend.

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  Nathan Natas

  ..but if you don't believe in god, remember that replacing bullshit with horseshit still leaves you with shit.
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  Mom calls out Jehovah

  by Poztate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an 18 year oul girl stabbed her mom to death with 79 stab wounds.

  her mom cried out jehovah during the attack to no avail.

  http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/judge-rules-18-year-old-isabella-guzman-of-aurora-will-be-held-without-bond-in-mothers-slaying.

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  Nathan Natas

  IAmAllCool lost his cool and asked, " Have you stabbed someone 100 times as a teenager?"

  I can't answer that.

  Statue of Lamentations and all that, y'know?
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  Given your perspective, would you rank AA as a cult after reading this?

  by NeverKnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a very dear friend's husband is going to aa and has been successfully clean for a year now.

  he has attributed his success to aa.

  we are all very excited about his sobriety.

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  Nathan Natas

  That's a GREAT link!

  http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html

  I've never been involved with AA, but I met a guy through work who was. We were attending a multiweek training for work and were located in a town far from both our homes. We had separate rooms in a motel and spent most of our time before and after class and over the weekend in each other's company. One of the first things my co-worker did was establish contact with the local AA group and he went to those meetings after work during the weeks were were in training. It seemed to me that AA encourages alcoholics to swich their alcohol addiction to caffeine and nicotine addiction. Is that progress? Maybe it is. At least thy're not driving drunk. Instead they stink and have the jitters.

  I encourage everyone to take a look at the link. Good material there.
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  Do I have PTSD. I comment on three exjw blogs almost everyday

  by trujw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i guess i have issues.

  or am i just soo awesome.

  please don't tell me i am becoming danny hazzards twin.

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  I think maybe you have some really awesome issues.

  I doubt that there is anyone here who doesn't have "issues" of some kind.

  After you begin to get past your JW issues, you may find you'll have some XJW issues.

  None of us can please EVERYBODY all of the time. Not even me, and I am pretty awesome! But I lie alot.

  Keep a sense of humor and don't be too hard on yourself.
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  Total Donations

  by turtleturtle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was just calculating how much $ i had given to the local cong & wt over the period of about 10 years.

  28,000 us baby!

  ouchie!

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  I have no clear recollection of putting anything in the collectios box during the nearlt 20 years I was associated.

  In the beginning, of course, I was just a kid.

  Later, when I started earning money on a newspaper route, shovelling snow, and ultimately getting a "real" part-time job, ALL of whatever I earned was handed over to mom to run the house.

  She determined if I got a small allowance from the money I brought in, even after I started pioneeering.

  Only after I moved out of her house was my money really mine, and even then she expected a piece of the action while she criticized me for not going to meetings and refusing to read her Watchtower and Awake! magazines.

  Eventually I put an end to that, but I shoulda done it sooner.
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  tell me not to cry...

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after more than a month of not attending the meetings, my girls will be returning to the meeting tomorrow.

  their father is taking them.

  i was so happy because my girls were free from the boredom, drudgery and mind control inflicted upon those that attend.

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  Nathan Natas

  LOSINGIT, you've got some good kids. I admire the determination your oldest is demonstrating to stick to what she was taught is right. Her integrity isn't a bad thing, it's just misdirected. Flipper offers good advice, as he usually does. I wonder if it might be possible for you to call Steven Hassan himself and get his suggestions on how to crack the nut of misdirected integrity.

  You are correct, though, that FIRST you need to "save yourself" by overcoming the GUILT that bubbles up whenever you catch yourself THINKING. This will take time. NEVER indulge in negative self-talk. If you find yourself being critical of yourself, silently repeat the word "cancel" three times, then congratulate yourself for having the courage to challenge your former erroneous beliefs. Form a picture in your mind of yourself walking out af a dark woods into a beautiful mountain meadow filled with sunshine and flowers. Don't think this sounds silly: try it.
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  Mom calls out Jehovah

  by Poztate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an 18 year oul girl stabbed her mom to death with 79 stab wounds.

  her mom cried out jehovah during the attack to no avail.

  http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/judge-rules-18-year-old-isabella-guzman-of-aurora-will-be-held-without-bond-in-mothers-slaying.

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  Nathan Natas

  79 stab wounds?

  Why stop when you're so close too 100?

  Kids today are lazy.
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  Interesting Dramatic Film on Jehovahs Witnesses

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5_8vfjm9zo.

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  Nathan Natas

  If I can appropriate (and modify) something that AngusOg says in his EXCELLENT book, "Quitting Jehovah's Witnesses" there are four categories of films of this type:

  (1) Personal experiences and anecdotes, which usually have a very limited audience and are seldom compelling.

  (2) "Conversion efforts" like this and other films from MacGregor Ministries that want you to replace the Watchtower tripe with another brand of tripe

  (3) Opportunistic and parasitic projects that either use their film project as a way to fleece XJWs - these never actually produce a movie, they just renew the funds-collection effort every couple of years. Nothing is ever produced except for continuing requests for funding.

  (4) Self-promotional projects used to build the reputation of film-school-graduates. These films are poorly written, doctrinally inaccurate, and offer "special advanced screenings" at a price substantially higher than commercial films. Usually the "artist" responsible will have an entourage of groupies who travel with "the artist", enjoying a "rock-star" lifestyle. These films don't appear on DVD or have any lasting value. The "artist" quickly moves on to his next project - one that will get him attention and groupies. This is a new take on the old traveling revival tent tour. The "gospel" changes with each iteration.